| Timestamp | Sender | Message |
| 2026-08-11 18:15 | Gruntled | you can manifest lowmort things with hero pgems |
| 2026-08-11 18:15 | Malaclypse | not surprised if that worked. |
| 2026-08-11 18:14 | Imam | I can say that I've made domovoi sleeves using billowing sleeves and lord pgems before |
| 2026-08-11 18:14 | Malaclypse | :) |
| 2026-08-11 18:14 | Marceliene | nice dodge :] |
| 2026-08-11 18:13 | Malaclypse | i cant test it. it would let me embed anything in anything. |
| 2026-08-11 18:13 | Marceliene | im too poor to just risk it |
| 2026-08-11 18:12 | Gruntled | pretty sure i've done it recently |
| 2026-08-11 18:12 | Marceliene | i have people i trust saying opposite things |
| 2026-08-11 18:12 | Irasek | if it helps |
| 2026-08-11 18:12 | Irasek | I can confirm that as wrong |
| 2026-08-11 18:12 | Marceliene | can you confirm the lord gems being usable to make hero manifests ? |
| 2026-08-11 18:11 | Malaclypse | but id guess a duration |
| 2026-08-11 18:11 | Malaclypse | no idea |
| 2026-08-11 18:11 | Xyphon | does flay apply a persistent affect to the target, or is it just for the one round that flay goes off? |
| 2026-08-11 18:11 | Malaclypse | yep |
| 2026-08-11 18:10 | Gruntled | oh, didn't see that sylvan benediction reduces cleric track lack |
| 2026-08-11 18:09 | Malaclypse | proble is ... need some down time to prepare the stuff for end of year ;) |
| 2026-08-11 18:09 | Marceliene | MOAR HOGS! |
| 2026-08-11 18:09 | Malaclypse | heh |
| 2026-08-11 18:09 | Marceliene | i am initiating a vote to extend the number of days in august to 365 |
| 2026-08-11 18:08 | Malaclypse | then people feel the need once again. |
| 2026-08-11 18:08 | Malaclypse | is normally a brief hangover |
| 2026-08-11 18:08 | Malaclypse | grin |
| 2026-08-11 18:08 | Marceliene | its gonna be hard to go back to "normal" after august is over |
| 2026-08-11 18:07 | Mandragora | my ign cle is great for gc.. but nowt else |
| 2026-08-11 18:06 | Imam | I don't recommend making a gol cle :) |
| 2026-08-11 18:06 | Malaclypse | on top of their existing bonus |
| 2026-08-11 18:06 | Malaclypse | though that would more likely be dwf |
| 2026-08-11 18:06 | Malaclypse | potentially. cant remember |
| 2026-08-11 18:05 | Gruntled | interesting, so maybe ign/gol get bonus to artificer? |
| 2026-08-11 18:03 | Malaclypse | and some races get an additional boost to pcts besides divine bonus |
| 2026-08-11 18:03 | Malaclypse | for instance, drg cle using hallowed nimbus get spell comprehension |
| 2026-08-11 18:02 | Gruntled | yeah i guess if not werr |
| 2026-08-11 18:02 | Mandragora | dependant on worship |
| 2026-08-11 18:02 | Gruntled | ent and dwf same gc |
| 2026-08-11 18:02 | Mandragora | i think ent GC is better |
| 2026-08-11 18:02 | Malaclypse | there can be bonuses based on specific gods/races |
| 2026-08-11 18:02 | Gruntled | in, e.g. something that isn't gc |
| 2026-08-11 18:01 | Gruntled | do other pantheons get bonuses based on anything besides divine connection? e.g. are dwf + deity always max or do some races get better than them |
| 2026-08-11 17:39 | Warlock | your drg mag hits hero 999, you make a drg wzd |
| 2026-08-11 17:39 | Warlock | both drg mag and drg wzd are great |
| 2026-08-11 17:39 | Sagacity | Tua wzd is awesome though |
| 2026-08-11 17:39 | Sagacity | Drg mag over drg wzd any day of the week |
| 2026-08-11 17:38 | Neilsen | nod, a lot |
| 2026-08-11 17:38 | Gruntled | it reduces a lot sarm |
| 2026-08-11 17:38 | Imptastic | make lord 999 max to make drg great again |
| 2026-08-11 17:38 | Warlock | so drg is great |
| 2026-08-11 17:38 | Sarmizar | I don't know how much armorancient reduces, but I feel like dragons would have to get about 6.5x the HP and MP per level that tuatars get for the Tnl to equal out. |
| 2026-08-11 17:38 | Warlock | the prob when you get to high hero is how not to level |
| 2026-08-11 17:37 | Warlock | always a mistake |
| 2026-08-11 17:37 | Xyphon | yeah but then you're not a drg! |
| 2026-08-11 17:37 | Warlock | yea but then you might go lord |
| 2026-08-11 17:37 | Neilsen | yeah, leveling a drg wzd at lord is so slow |
| 2026-08-11 17:37 | Sarmizar | Stopping at tua wiz could be saner long-term since you don't have to deal with dragon TNL. |
| 2026-08-11 17:37 | Neilsen | gno to liz to drg still faster |
| 2026-08-11 17:37 | Xyphon | well yeah, ofc qp i guess, but qp means drg could just prestige it itself anyway |
| 2026-08-11 17:37 | Warlock | saving time which is worth more than qp |
| 2026-08-11 17:36 | Neilsen | waste of qp |
| 2026-08-11 17:36 | Warlock | or liz mag and qp to liz wzd then drg wzd |
| 2026-08-11 17:36 | Gruntled | like if you made an orc mon planning on going fsk and then found out it couldn't -woops- |
| 2026-08-11 17:36 | Xyphon | or liz mag or tua wiz to drg wiz! |
| 2026-08-11 17:36 | Neilsen | nod gno wzd to liz wzd to drg wzd |
| 2026-08-11 17:35 | Warlock | i guess if you already had an orc mon or something you could remort tan, then go fsk |
| 2026-08-11 17:35 | Sarmizar | Practiced skills, that is. |
| 2026-08-11 17:35 | Sarmizar | Other way around, IMO. The bonus HP/MP are most useful at lower hero levels and you can afford to throw a ton into them because your practices are kept. |
| 2026-08-11 17:35 | Xyphon | i mean drg makes good wiz but can't prestige it, yeah? |
| 2026-08-11 17:35 | Imam | and orc can't. |
| 2026-08-11 17:35 | Neilsen | just make a hor fsk and remort |
| 2026-08-11 17:35 | Nefas | its useful to train hp mp between evos. its only permanent after final evo |
| 2026-08-11 17:35 | Neilsen | so why wait til tan to go fsk |
| 2026-08-11 17:35 | Neilsen | yes but hor can go fsk |
| 2026-08-11 17:35 | Gruntled | or he's a mean ol sneaky imm and just means if you remort a couple times |
| 2026-08-11 17:34 | Warlock | since mala said tan would make good fsk i'm assuming tan can prc to fsk |
| 2026-08-11 17:34 | Xyphon | eh? so there's no point to train hp/mp until done evolving really, then? |
| 2026-08-11 17:34 | Imam | *nod* This char is very new! Has a creation date and everything! |
| 2026-08-11 17:33 | Sarmizar | The bonus HP/MP and their costs reset, yeah. |
| 2026-08-11 17:33 | Nefas | imam must be new here |
| 2026-08-11 17:33 | Imam | It seems like an unnecessary amount of min/maxing :) |
| 2026-08-11 17:33 | Deathtrap | do the mp hp costs reset as well? |
| 2026-08-11 17:33 | Xyphon | oh is that how that works? guess i should practice everything before my 500 evo then |
| 2026-08-11 17:33 | Warlock | hor tnl is so low, someone sneezes and you've got 3 levels |
| 2026-08-11 17:33 | Sarmizar | You keep the skills and can use the points for HP/MP bonuses. |
| 2026-08-11 17:32 | Sarmizar | It does. Evo races get their practices refunded on each step, which makes the hero skills super cheap to grab. |
| 2026-08-11 17:32 | Gruntled | but eso is nice at lowhero |
| 2026-08-11 17:32 | Warlock | hmm yea, if it leaves the old skills |
| 2026-08-11 17:32 | Deathtrap | ah true |
| 2026-08-11 17:32 | Nefas | you can practice a bunch of stuff then you reroll and get all your practices back |
| 2026-08-11 17:31 | Ryoki | if you get a reroll then you get a pile of bonus pracs |
| 2026-08-11 17:31 | Warlock | why best to do at 100 |
| 2026-08-11 17:31 | Neilsen | but easy to go hor fsk and remort :P |
| 2026-08-11 17:31 | Nefas | ah so best to do it at hero 100 then like viz |
| 2026-08-11 17:31 | Neilsen | er, tan unsure, but prolly? |
| 2026-08-11 17:31 | Warlock | also you get rerolled |
| 2026-08-11 17:31 | Warlock | have to be ath to actually prestige, but you can have worshipped before |
| 2026-08-11 17:31 | Xodizar | any imm avail to fix broken insured gear? |
| 2026-08-11 17:31 | Neilsen | tan yes it seems |
| 2026-08-11 17:30 | Nefas | tan right? |
| 2026-08-11 17:30 | Warlock | kzn should i would think |
| 2026-08-11 17:30 | Marceliene | centaurs art part human |