| Timestamp | Sender | Message |
| 2023-08-01 20:59 | Rairila | the issue is what game mechanics allow (technically) vs the intention of the game vs players (contractually) - some folks have very different view of what that contract should be. mutant levels are the technicality and lords soloing is a contractual issue |
| 2023-08-01 20:58 | Volarys | he was overburdened |
| 2023-08-01 20:58 | Caree | we shld just have 10ppl connected at a time.. and make appt for your slot |
| 2023-08-01 20:58 | Esseldi | dusk |
| 2023-08-01 20:57 | Tyberos | Who am I passing this gear to |
| 2023-08-01 20:57 | Wolthu | its funny u guys keep on talkin about me afking, how in world im where I am, I led a lot and tanked for u guys alot not letting u guys die MOST of the time :p |
| 2023-08-01 20:57 | Caree | if evberyone can stay awake at 3am |
| 2023-08-01 20:57 | Esseldi | well im not afk, so i can not be afk on 2 runs at a time |
| 2023-08-01 20:56 | Ebin | my afk limit is 1 run |
| 2023-08-01 20:56 | Caree | ditto ebin |
| 2023-08-01 20:56 | Rairila | Caree, you're destroying lord groups by soloing |
| 2023-08-01 20:56 | Ebin | we dont need wolthu afk on 2 runs |
| 2023-08-01 20:56 | Wolthu | takes a skilled player to lead on both tier, Caree! |
| 2023-08-01 20:56 | Caree | how do u lead on both tiers? |
| 2023-08-01 20:56 | Wolthu | i am agreeing to nah's comment |
| 2023-08-01 20:55 | Wolthu | that i agree |
| 2023-08-01 20:55 | Esseldi | id like to get rid of shadow, and allow tiered multiplay, id like to do hero and lord at the same time |
| 2023-08-01 20:55 | Daeron | lol |
| 2023-08-01 20:55 | Nah | quick shout out to immortal staff for doing a thankless job and helping the game out so we can avoid work |
| 2023-08-01 20:55 | Xiphoid | imo, multiday was not one of our best decisions |
| 2023-08-01 20:55 | Donquixote | i can't group at lowmort it should be banned and everyone should have to group |
| 2023-08-01 20:55 | Esseldi | yes i dont enjoy multiday, im all for that trash goin |
| 2023-08-01 20:54 | Daeron | level restriction is not the issue |
| 2023-08-01 20:54 | Wizfern | on that logic, multiday stops grouping as well. because people camp gear with their alt army instead of running it with a normal group.. soooo |
| 2023-08-01 20:54 | Daeron | who plays legend atm? |
| 2023-08-01 20:54 | Daeron | lower troika for what? |
| 2023-08-01 20:54 | Mabu | never have problems getting groups |
| 2023-08-01 20:54 | Keysar | can't get 18 anymore |
| 2023-08-01 20:54 | Mabu | sounds like a player that is based on the east coast of america. |
| 2023-08-01 20:54 | Donquixote | no one NEEDs any of it thats untrue |
| 2023-08-01 20:54 | Keysar | lower troikia max to 13 or so |
| 2023-08-01 20:54 | Daeron | anyway, this is a losing conversation for us.. damned if we do, damned if we don't.. |
| 2023-08-01 20:54 | Wolthu | oh, soloing alleg items is too overpowered, iirc |
| 2023-08-01 20:54 | Esseldi | if you can solo, you can just not group and go get it |
| 2023-08-01 20:54 | Mepharic | if someone needs an item they go get it instead of getting a group going |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Esseldi | if you cant solo and you need a piece of alleg, you can get a group and go get it |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Donquixote | how |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Esseldi | sure it does |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Donquixote | no it doesnt |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Esseldi | it prevents groups |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Donquixote | what is so bad about solo? |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Daeron | but, let me drop life for coding on a mud :) |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Ebin | im not a player, i just crush a lot |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Panther | run |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Daeron | I have a family too |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Meroveus | can't you just make it so when not on thorn plane....unless in group > than say 4.....you do 10% damage ...so people can't solo? ( i have no issue with solo but clearly some do)... |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Wolthu | was ufo the reason u are sour, ebin? |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Daeron | I don' thave free time, I work a lot |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Ebin | i saw a ufo on oct 30 1993 |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Wolthu | i dont have free time, i travel a lot :p |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Vellum | what is free time? |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Daeron | I wish I had wolthu's free time to do all these things |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Esseldi | i also believe in aliens |
| 2023-08-01 20:51 | Wolthu | it boils down to game mechanics - its still sloppy in some areas, instead of focusing on new areas and features which we appreciate a lot. Start cleaning up the mechanics |
| 2023-08-01 20:51 | Rairila | yeah. you have to accept the premise that lord mutants and solo destroy the game. but it's flawed premise. yet, some folks have vocalized that - so they must believe it. |
| 2023-08-01 20:51 | Wizfern | saying it was never intended, and not making it "as intended" for 20 years means you missed the window. its not emergent gameplay now. removing years of work from players will remove the players. |
| 2023-08-01 20:51 | Donquixote | y'all act like it destroys the game if someone can do something you cant/wont sheesh |
| 2023-08-01 20:51 | Chalu | people who devote time to alts and the people who depend on those people to lead, etc |
| 2023-08-01 20:51 | Tyberos | Or on two alts at the same time? |
| 2023-08-01 20:50 | Mabu | the half of the playerbase that likes to spend a lot of time on one alt |
| 2023-08-01 20:50 | Ebin | most people have more than 1 alt |
| 2023-08-01 20:50 | Donquixote | destroying the game for who? |
| 2023-08-01 20:50 | Rairila | so if lord solo and mutants are destroying the game, then just get rid of mutants all the way - but that might destroy the game too as folks stop playing all together. |
| 2023-08-01 20:50 | Chalu | yeah, i guess on the other hand you can decrease counts to like 10 players and still have the same issue of lord groups not being run as often as some want...but cutting off the head to save the body never makes much sense to me |
| 2023-08-01 20:49 | Rairila | there are risks to doing that. one one hand you have continued 999+ gains, but that increases stat and gear inflation, on the other hand, you have folks with lots of 999 levels that will quit the game. |
| 2023-08-01 20:49 | Wizfern | *sigh* |
| 2023-08-01 20:49 | Wolthu | many insigs fall at 999, 998 they dont |
| 2023-08-01 20:49 | Donquixote | 2002? haha how bout back to 2018 levels :P |
| 2023-08-01 20:49 | Daeron | oh I know |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Wolthu | nah, 998 hero alts, cuz theres another loophole u dont know |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Mepharic | might be cause they still get gains atm :) |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Daeron | lots of people have hero 999 alts they still use |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Panther | why are we labled as mutants im a trl |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Chalu | most games reward players for focusing and spending time on alts....why do folks take issue with that here? lord groups still happen frequently...no rule changes will bring mud counts back to 2002 levels |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Wolthu | then ebin will be only one online playing |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Daeron | no mepharic |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Mepharic | wont everyone stop running at 999 ? |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Ebin | lets go back to tiered tnl |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Mabu | why not base decisions on how the game has evolved? |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Wolthu | yeah, more people will leave |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Rairila | removing 999+ gains would make dragons useful at lord |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Mabu | basing decisions today on what the ideal lord game looked like a decade or two ago is.. kind of odd |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Donquixote | and then watch people hit the exit again because they are done with the game |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Daeron | ok, thanks just wanted to be sure I understood |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Rairila | yes. if game purity is more important than anything else then remove 999+ gains |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Keysar | figures |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Ebin | no |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Daeron | I bet there are 998's that can solo some stuff |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Keysar | ebin u got any mutants? |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Daeron | Rairila are you suggesting just remove 999+ gains all together? |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Rairila | there isn't any lord that can solo at lord 998 stats - so if you want to keep game balance. remove all 999+ gains to keep the game pure. |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Ebin | s5 a whole run is dumb too |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Mabu | just stop lord leveling at lord 100, force us to legend |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Chalu | compromise...125k |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Rairila | yeah.. or hear me out.. make lord level cap 999 - revert all lord gains past 999+ to what they would be at 999 - and call it a day |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Duskrta | and then we can blame wolthu, I like this strat |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Ebin | 100k |
| 2023-08-01 20:45 | Xiphoid | or just drop the cap to 100k and let folks play silly beggars with -hp gear all they like? |
| 2023-08-01 20:45 | Wolthu | rairila said it all |
| 2023-08-01 20:45 | Wolthu | BINGO! |