| Timestamp | Sender | Message |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Esseldi | it prevents groups |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Donquixote | what is so bad about solo? |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Daeron | but, let me drop life for coding on a mud :) |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Ebin | im not a player, i just crush a lot |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Panther | run |
| 2023-08-01 20:53 | Daeron | I have a family too |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Meroveus | can't you just make it so when not on thorn plane....unless in group > than say 4.....you do 10% damage ...so people can't solo? ( i have no issue with solo but clearly some do)... |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Wolthu | was ufo the reason u are sour, ebin? |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Daeron | I don' thave free time, I work a lot |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Ebin | i saw a ufo on oct 30 1993 |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Wolthu | i dont have free time, i travel a lot :p |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Vellum | what is free time? |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Daeron | I wish I had wolthu's free time to do all these things |
| 2023-08-01 20:52 | Esseldi | i also believe in aliens |
| 2023-08-01 20:51 | Wolthu | it boils down to game mechanics - its still sloppy in some areas, instead of focusing on new areas and features which we appreciate a lot. Start cleaning up the mechanics |
| 2023-08-01 20:51 | Rairila | yeah. you have to accept the premise that lord mutants and solo destroy the game. but it's flawed premise. yet, some folks have vocalized that - so they must believe it. |
| 2023-08-01 20:51 | Wizfern | saying it was never intended, and not making it "as intended" for 20 years means you missed the window. its not emergent gameplay now. removing years of work from players will remove the players. |
| 2023-08-01 20:51 | Donquixote | y'all act like it destroys the game if someone can do something you cant/wont sheesh |
| 2023-08-01 20:51 | Chalu | people who devote time to alts and the people who depend on those people to lead, etc |
| 2023-08-01 20:51 | Tyberos | Or on two alts at the same time? |
| 2023-08-01 20:50 | Mabu | the half of the playerbase that likes to spend a lot of time on one alt |
| 2023-08-01 20:50 | Ebin | most people have more than 1 alt |
| 2023-08-01 20:50 | Donquixote | destroying the game for who? |
| 2023-08-01 20:50 | Rairila | so if lord solo and mutants are destroying the game, then just get rid of mutants all the way - but that might destroy the game too as folks stop playing all together. |
| 2023-08-01 20:50 | Chalu | yeah, i guess on the other hand you can decrease counts to like 10 players and still have the same issue of lord groups not being run as often as some want...but cutting off the head to save the body never makes much sense to me |
| 2023-08-01 20:49 | Rairila | there are risks to doing that. one one hand you have continued 999+ gains, but that increases stat and gear inflation, on the other hand, you have folks with lots of 999 levels that will quit the game. |
| 2023-08-01 20:49 | Wizfern | *sigh* |
| 2023-08-01 20:49 | Wolthu | many insigs fall at 999, 998 they dont |
| 2023-08-01 20:49 | Donquixote | 2002? haha how bout back to 2018 levels :P |
| 2023-08-01 20:49 | Daeron | oh I know |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Wolthu | nah, 998 hero alts, cuz theres another loophole u dont know |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Mepharic | might be cause they still get gains atm :) |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Daeron | lots of people have hero 999 alts they still use |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Panther | why are we labled as mutants im a trl |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Chalu | most games reward players for focusing and spending time on alts....why do folks take issue with that here? lord groups still happen frequently...no rule changes will bring mud counts back to 2002 levels |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Wolthu | then ebin will be only one online playing |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Daeron | no mepharic |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Mepharic | wont everyone stop running at 999 ? |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Ebin | lets go back to tiered tnl |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Mabu | why not base decisions on how the game has evolved? |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Wolthu | yeah, more people will leave |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Rairila | removing 999+ gains would make dragons useful at lord |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Mabu | basing decisions today on what the ideal lord game looked like a decade or two ago is.. kind of odd |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Donquixote | and then watch people hit the exit again because they are done with the game |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Daeron | ok, thanks just wanted to be sure I understood |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Rairila | yes. if game purity is more important than anything else then remove 999+ gains |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Keysar | figures |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Ebin | no |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Daeron | I bet there are 998's that can solo some stuff |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Keysar | ebin u got any mutants? |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Daeron | Rairila are you suggesting just remove 999+ gains all together? |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Rairila | there isn't any lord that can solo at lord 998 stats - so if you want to keep game balance. remove all 999+ gains to keep the game pure. |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Ebin | s5 a whole run is dumb too |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Mabu | just stop lord leveling at lord 100, force us to legend |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Chalu | compromise...125k |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Rairila | yeah.. or hear me out.. make lord level cap 999 - revert all lord gains past 999+ to what they would be at 999 - and call it a day |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Duskrta | and then we can blame wolthu, I like this strat |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Ebin | 100k |
| 2023-08-01 20:45 | Xiphoid | or just drop the cap to 100k and let folks play silly beggars with -hp gear all they like? |
| 2023-08-01 20:45 | Wolthu | rairila said it all |
| 2023-08-01 20:45 | Wolthu | BINGO! |
| 2023-08-01 20:45 | Rairila | just delete all the -hp stats from all the gear |
| 2023-08-01 20:45 | Rairila | -hp is a game mechanic - you say it's a loophole, but it's a game mechanic. why have -hp gear if it's not useful? |
| 2023-08-01 20:44 | Daeron | ^ |
| 2023-08-01 20:44 | Ebin | youre not wearing gear to inflate your hps, youre wearing gear when you level to exploit a 'loophole' where it allows you to gain hps over the max allowed without gear |
| 2023-08-01 20:44 | Xiphoid | caps were intended as a stop-gap to prevent the mutant problem getting completely out of hand, we still haven't found the rest of a solution that players won't become extremely upset about |
| 2023-08-01 20:44 | Wolthu | the cap exists but it is NOT hard cap, its soft cap. That is on you guys. |
| 2023-08-01 20:43 | Mabu | you'll have to be happy with just mana/move gains now, wolthu |
| 2023-08-01 20:43 | Wolthu | u know all the gears in game, do that |
| 2023-08-01 20:43 | Tyberos | I think knowing that the "stat cap" is a certain number and using items to get past it is a clear loophole. You know what the intent of the stat cap is, regardless of how you want to argue the validity of it. |
| 2023-08-01 20:43 | Daeron | explain your math again wolthu pls |
| 2023-08-01 20:43 | Wolthu | my issue here is that xiph or other imms forgot to take those gears in consideration, it is overlooked on their part. |
| 2023-08-01 20:42 | Diy | iso and buying negative mana gears :P |
| 2023-08-01 20:42 | Wolthu | u guys set cap in game, but gears in game says the difference |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Rairila | which lords have over 150k already in the game? |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Ebin | your max without gear shoyld be 156k right? |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Diy | darn |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Daeron | no |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Wolthu | as for casters its 177 mana |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Daeron | no, cap is 150k |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Wolthu | by the math of highest negative gears which is already in game to use, the max i could get to is 172k hp |
| 2023-08-01 20:40 | Chalu | if caps are 150k for each, then yes they were |
| 2023-08-01 20:40 | Rairila | pretty sure a hie wasn't intended to have 44k hps and 150k mana |
| 2023-08-01 20:40 | Xiphoid | no class was designed to solo at lord |
| 2023-08-01 20:40 | Wolthu | i can not solo, when will u guys understand, monks are not designed to solo |
| 2023-08-01 20:39 | Rairila | mutant levels are the only reason folks can solo |
| 2023-08-01 20:39 | Daeron | how dare you |
| 2023-08-01 20:39 | Daeron | look at the ripping we get for making changes.. take stuff away!? |
| 2023-08-01 20:39 | Daeron | ha wolthu is funny |
| 2023-08-01 20:38 | Daeron | I still see people soloing |
| 2023-08-01 20:38 | Wolthu | bottom line, those stuff which are provided in game are to be used to play the game, if u guys dont want those items to exist, just remove them |
| 2023-08-01 20:38 | Ebin | the gamr going to places it was never intended to go is no reason to keep it going that way |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Mabu | changes to crack down on mutants and lord soloing has absolutely led to players quitting |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Wolthu | since those changes imms did not long ago we lost good players, and now we are dealing with bad apples who complains |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Unreasonable | yup, miz quit too |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Nah | rip |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Diy | mizuno quit? |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Xiphoid | but mutant stats are the thing that enables soloing |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Daeron | I heard Tinacular was playing Zelda |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Ebin | so they will stop soloing alleg and stuff when thry hit mana cap? |