| Timestamp | Sender | Message |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Chalu | most games reward players for focusing and spending time on alts....why do folks take issue with that here? lord groups still happen frequently...no rule changes will bring mud counts back to 2002 levels |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Wolthu | then ebin will be only one online playing |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Daeron | no mepharic |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Mepharic | wont everyone stop running at 999 ? |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Ebin | lets go back to tiered tnl |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Mabu | why not base decisions on how the game has evolved? |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Wolthu | yeah, more people will leave |
| 2023-08-01 20:48 | Rairila | removing 999+ gains would make dragons useful at lord |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Mabu | basing decisions today on what the ideal lord game looked like a decade or two ago is.. kind of odd |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Donquixote | and then watch people hit the exit again because they are done with the game |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Daeron | ok, thanks just wanted to be sure I understood |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Rairila | yes. if game purity is more important than anything else then remove 999+ gains |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Keysar | figures |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Ebin | no |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Daeron | I bet there are 998's that can solo some stuff |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Keysar | ebin u got any mutants? |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Daeron | Rairila are you suggesting just remove 999+ gains all together? |
| 2023-08-01 20:47 | Rairila | there isn't any lord that can solo at lord 998 stats - so if you want to keep game balance. remove all 999+ gains to keep the game pure. |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Ebin | s5 a whole run is dumb too |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Mabu | just stop lord leveling at lord 100, force us to legend |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Chalu | compromise...125k |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Rairila | yeah.. or hear me out.. make lord level cap 999 - revert all lord gains past 999+ to what they would be at 999 - and call it a day |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Duskrta | and then we can blame wolthu, I like this strat |
| 2023-08-01 20:46 | Ebin | 100k |
| 2023-08-01 20:45 | Xiphoid | or just drop the cap to 100k and let folks play silly beggars with -hp gear all they like? |
| 2023-08-01 20:45 | Wolthu | rairila said it all |
| 2023-08-01 20:45 | Wolthu | BINGO! |
| 2023-08-01 20:45 | Rairila | just delete all the -hp stats from all the gear |
| 2023-08-01 20:45 | Rairila | -hp is a game mechanic - you say it's a loophole, but it's a game mechanic. why have -hp gear if it's not useful? |
| 2023-08-01 20:44 | Daeron | ^ |
| 2023-08-01 20:44 | Ebin | youre not wearing gear to inflate your hps, youre wearing gear when you level to exploit a 'loophole' where it allows you to gain hps over the max allowed without gear |
| 2023-08-01 20:44 | Xiphoid | caps were intended as a stop-gap to prevent the mutant problem getting completely out of hand, we still haven't found the rest of a solution that players won't become extremely upset about |
| 2023-08-01 20:44 | Wolthu | the cap exists but it is NOT hard cap, its soft cap. That is on you guys. |
| 2023-08-01 20:43 | Mabu | you'll have to be happy with just mana/move gains now, wolthu |
| 2023-08-01 20:43 | Wolthu | u know all the gears in game, do that |
| 2023-08-01 20:43 | Tyberos | I think knowing that the "stat cap" is a certain number and using items to get past it is a clear loophole. You know what the intent of the stat cap is, regardless of how you want to argue the validity of it. |
| 2023-08-01 20:43 | Daeron | explain your math again wolthu pls |
| 2023-08-01 20:43 | Wolthu | my issue here is that xiph or other imms forgot to take those gears in consideration, it is overlooked on their part. |
| 2023-08-01 20:42 | Diy | iso and buying negative mana gears :P |
| 2023-08-01 20:42 | Wolthu | u guys set cap in game, but gears in game says the difference |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Rairila | which lords have over 150k already in the game? |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Ebin | your max without gear shoyld be 156k right? |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Diy | darn |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Daeron | no |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Wolthu | as for casters its 177 mana |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Daeron | no, cap is 150k |
| 2023-08-01 20:41 | Wolthu | by the math of highest negative gears which is already in game to use, the max i could get to is 172k hp |
| 2023-08-01 20:40 | Chalu | if caps are 150k for each, then yes they were |
| 2023-08-01 20:40 | Rairila | pretty sure a hie wasn't intended to have 44k hps and 150k mana |
| 2023-08-01 20:40 | Xiphoid | no class was designed to solo at lord |
| 2023-08-01 20:40 | Wolthu | i can not solo, when will u guys understand, monks are not designed to solo |
| 2023-08-01 20:39 | Rairila | mutant levels are the only reason folks can solo |
| 2023-08-01 20:39 | Daeron | how dare you |
| 2023-08-01 20:39 | Daeron | look at the ripping we get for making changes.. take stuff away!? |
| 2023-08-01 20:39 | Daeron | ha wolthu is funny |
| 2023-08-01 20:38 | Daeron | I still see people soloing |
| 2023-08-01 20:38 | Wolthu | bottom line, those stuff which are provided in game are to be used to play the game, if u guys dont want those items to exist, just remove them |
| 2023-08-01 20:38 | Ebin | the gamr going to places it was never intended to go is no reason to keep it going that way |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Mabu | changes to crack down on mutants and lord soloing has absolutely led to players quitting |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Wolthu | since those changes imms did not long ago we lost good players, and now we are dealing with bad apples who complains |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Unreasonable | yup, miz quit too |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Nah | rip |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Diy | mizuno quit? |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Xiphoid | but mutant stats are the thing that enables soloing |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Daeron | I heard Tinacular was playing Zelda |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Ebin | so they will stop soloing alleg and stuff when thry hit mana cap? |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Unreasonable | tin already quit |
| 2023-08-01 20:37 | Esseldi | i think soloing bigger problem than mutant stats |
| 2023-08-01 20:36 | Diy | tin too |
| 2023-08-01 20:36 | Diy | caree and lupee |
| 2023-08-01 20:36 | Diy | i dont solo alleg... |
| 2023-08-01 20:36 | Ebin | we can try harder |
| 2023-08-01 20:36 | Rairila | the only reason diy and caree play is to get the cap - when that's done, they won't run unless it's absolutely required. |
| 2023-08-01 20:36 | Wolthu | whiners might push me away |
| 2023-08-01 20:36 | Daeron | Mabu says we are pushing you away |
| 2023-08-01 20:36 | Daeron | so you aren't pushed away from the game Wolthu because of the 150(ish)k cap? |
| 2023-08-01 20:36 | Ebin | not many people are gonna tell a tank with 100k hps to alt |
| 2023-08-01 20:35 | Wolthu | i alt to other alts when leader asks |
| 2023-08-01 20:35 | Mabu | nod, rairila. was an interesting approach to tackling mutant tanks |
| 2023-08-01 20:35 | Ebin | i wont run a tank with wolthu in group because what the hell is the point |
| 2023-08-01 20:34 | Mabu | gunglegort sure hasn't run a lot since that stat cap came in |
| 2023-08-01 20:34 | Rairila | % dmg from mobs was a great way to make lord sprite tanks great again |
| 2023-08-01 20:34 | Mabu | game is beyond balancing at this point and has a small playerbase. i don't understand the need to punish players which will eventually drive them off |
| 2023-08-01 20:34 | Ebin | thats a load of bull |
| 2023-08-01 20:34 | Xiphoid | *tip* |
| 2023-08-01 20:34 | Esseldi | at this point the game cant afford to push anymore people away no matter how afk they are so who cares at this point |
| 2023-08-01 20:34 | Mepharic | good evening xip |
| 2023-08-01 20:34 | Meroveus | yea problem is when those mutants the game balances around stop playing ...stuff can't get done :( |
| 2023-08-01 20:33 | Ebin | wow xiphoid is on |
| 2023-08-01 20:33 | Wolthu | if imms doesnt like the loophole, that applies to all gears that raise or remove any stats in whole game |
| 2023-08-01 20:33 | Xiphoid | the only reason it's not 100k is because some players were already over that when I added it |
| 2023-08-01 20:33 | Nah | because power creep having to account for 200k hps means that new lords can't keep up |
| 2023-08-01 20:33 | Rairila | I think limit should be 80k for hps, and 50k for mana |
| 2023-08-01 20:33 | Wolthu | the hp gear exists |
| 2023-08-01 20:33 | Keysar | or allow buying limit raises with qp |
| 2023-08-01 20:33 | Ebin | 100k |
| 2023-08-01 20:33 | An immortal | hard to balance a game when the players can get gains forever |
| 2023-08-01 20:32 | Keysar | i think limit should be 200k or so |
| 2023-08-01 20:32 | Mabu | the shard areas had a great way of dealing with mutants. percentage of hp damage |
| 2023-08-01 20:32 | Ebin | because |