| Timestamp | Sender | Message |
| 2022-07-05 22:46 | Madrivax | So if people are leaving regardless, raise your hand if you are leaving. Then those ppl can just stop talking while we discuss things :P |
| 2022-07-05 22:46 | Shadowin | they've already capped stats. they now arent happy with that decision |
| 2022-07-05 22:46 | Hayami | 150k is ludicrous |
| 2022-07-05 22:46 | Vixelle | nod hayami, cap them at 150k ;) |
| 2022-07-05 22:46 | Seyonne | That has worked in some cases, but not for all. |
| 2022-07-05 22:45 | Vamp | the mobs had alread been bluff last year |
| 2022-07-05 22:45 | Hayami | im all for capping 999 stats, but i dont want a reroll |
| 2022-07-05 22:45 | Wolthu | ^ |
| 2022-07-05 22:45 | Vixelle | rather than stunt the mutant, buff the mobs |
| 2022-07-05 22:45 | Seyonne | I'll put this out there - I'm a mutant. I'm not hell bent on this, I'm just hoping to explore various avenues and we have seen good tangential ideas come out of discussions. |
| 2022-07-05 22:45 | Vamp | and more who are leaving when these suggested changes kick in |
| 2022-07-05 22:44 | Vamp | and it's even harder to get a 20pax group with 6 who left |
| 2022-07-05 22:44 | Chalu | implement mana pots, will make bringing casters along much less prohibitive for non-regen runs |
| 2022-07-05 22:44 | Wolthu | at least we all know how to manage what kind of groups to get runs done regardless if we have mutants or not. Imms are hellbend of deleting mutants in general :P |
| 2022-07-05 22:44 | Hayami | oh yeah, i did 11.3k the second run vamp :P |
| 2022-07-05 22:44 | Hayami | and that run was a workout |
| 2022-07-05 22:44 | Vamp | i feel xp cheated |
| 2022-07-05 22:43 | Seyonne | I've got a decent amount of incoming tells - would appreciate if folks could try to keep to public channels because it's hard to maintain many threads of conversation (especially 1 vs many) |
| 2022-07-05 22:43 | Vamp | wasn't it the monk!? |
| 2022-07-05 22:43 | Wolthu | yeah |
| 2022-07-05 22:43 | Jonnan | we did fine with 2 tanks, bld is key tho |
| 2022-07-05 22:43 | Vamp | don't touch the players |
| 2022-07-05 22:43 | Jonnan | but meat is easily replacable |
| 2022-07-05 22:43 | Vamp | touch the mobs |
| 2022-07-05 22:43 | Jonnan | i mean, sure, youre just meat |
| 2022-07-05 22:43 | Wolthu | without wolthu! |
| 2022-07-05 22:42 | Jonnan | overgrowth is rough without the right group |
| 2022-07-05 22:42 | Jonnan | oof |
| 2022-07-05 22:42 | Seyonne | I do want to say that we are actively pursuing the same types of balance in transmog/shard to be default, but there is still research to go into the code behind that to see how we could roll that out |
| 2022-07-05 22:42 | Vamp | personally speaking, i don't even run much lords ever since that previous changes last year |
| 2022-07-05 22:42 | Jonnan | theres def varying stages of mutants now :P |
| 2022-07-05 22:42 | Wolthu | stuck at 134k |
| 2022-07-05 22:42 | Wolthu | same feeling, vamp! |
| 2022-07-05 22:42 | Jonnan | *50k |
| 2022-07-05 22:42 | Jonnan | and im just hoping byki one day hits 509k. |
| 2022-07-05 22:42 | Jonnan | blink |
| 2022-07-05 22:42 | Vamp | i'ave been stuck at 130k mana forever now.. 150k seems unattainable |
| 2022-07-05 22:41 | Vamp | esp that one with all those levels of glimmers skins |
| 2022-07-05 22:41 | Madrivax | mc |
| 2022-07-05 22:41 | Vamp | like how these transmog areas are tough to run without a proper big group |
| 2022-07-05 22:41 | Madrivax | Immediately ignored because of "can't never" |
| 2022-07-05 22:41 | Seyonne | I understand the sentiment behind hamstringing, but I also hope everyone can recognize how difficult new content can be to come up with with the crazy mutants floating around |
| 2022-07-05 22:41 | Jonnan | ^ |
| 2022-07-05 22:41 | Mythril | if them rewards for the 999er's are too great, you risk alienating the players who didnt bother with running much after 999 but put a comproable amount of time in as the mutants |
| 2022-07-05 22:40 | Kali | Also, sure, let them gain pracs so they can eulogy |
| 2022-07-05 22:40 | Wolthu | ha |
| 2022-07-05 22:40 | Chalu | seyonne, i think i speak for a lot of folks when i say that we appreciate your efforts at an honest and constructive conversation. but if the goal is to increase player counts or encourage more group play at lord, perhaps hamstringing elder/leader players will not have the desired effect, regardless of comps |
| 2022-07-05 22:40 | Vixelle | if max trainable stats is 150k, why is a 100k stat player called a mutant? |
| 2022-07-05 22:40 | Jonnan | :P |
| 2022-07-05 22:40 | Jonnan | bear stance? |
| 2022-07-05 22:40 | Vamp | why are the players being targeted instead of making new areas which cater to the growth of the player base? |
| 2022-07-05 22:40 | Wolthu | like no rescue lags for monk at 999? Jonnan? |
| 2022-07-05 22:40 | Jonnan | well... i think 999's should still gain pracs |
| 2022-07-05 22:40 | Seyonne | (Instead of gains) |
| 2022-07-05 22:39 | Wolthu | have some here, come over :p |
| 2022-07-05 22:39 | Jonnan | like, you could have insignias based on class and race, that you could increase say spellpower or such |
| 2022-07-05 22:39 | Seyonne | I'm dubbing them "alternative points" in lieu of any better name, which would accrue with all future levels of 999 |
| 2022-07-05 22:39 | Madrivax | iso venison jerky |
| 2022-07-05 22:39 | Wolthu | u get deer meat from me, clap. |
| 2022-07-05 22:39 | Seyonne | Absolutely, that's an idea |
| 2022-07-05 22:39 | Jonnan | What about converting their exp into customizable insignias that give benefits... |
| 2022-07-05 22:39 | Mythril | what about my prize for being the 11,000,000th login, while were handing out free crap |
| 2022-07-05 22:38 | Seyonne | That includes full QP reimbursement, exp reimbursement (to other chars), amongst other ideas floating around that could go towards future possibilities (new tier, remort++, etc) none of which are totally solidified as ideas yet |
| 2022-07-05 22:38 | Kali | (A) Existing mutants need to be shrunk down to a reasonable size (B) People should still get something (probably transferable) both for any levels lost that way and any future levels on 999 characters so they don't feel bad about running the character |
| 2022-07-05 22:38 | Martyr | maybe if we're set on keeping the lp for gains, make lp account wide instead of character specific |
| 2022-07-05 22:38 | Vamp | if we have 100 plays loggaed at anytime, yeah sure, we need no one to take 2 spots |
| 2022-07-05 22:38 | Madrivax | you mean until you morph it into a Titan, Martyr! |
| 2022-07-05 22:38 | Jonnan | Yeah, sadly... as a leader... mutants do make some of those heavy player count required runs possible with low counts |
| 2022-07-05 22:38 | Vixelle | if mutants make the game easier, why not make the mobs harder? |
| 2022-07-05 22:38 | Vamp | and esp when player counts are low now, it's practically difficult to get 30 low-lords to run, say gulch/crown and succeed |
| 2022-07-05 22:38 | Wolthu | well, i died many times, regardless how big i am, however if i am on drg monk instead, i'd be around level 700, would people still call me mutant? |
| 2022-07-05 22:38 | Martyr | yeah, I would be totally willing to lead on my 999 shf, but I have no desire to lead on my 999 prs, so now my prs just sits on the shelf for the rest of time |
| 2022-07-05 22:37 | Seyonne | I'm making an earnest effort to give as many possible avenues of reimbursement to mutants in order to amicably help us achieve a goal for future play |
| 2022-07-05 22:37 | Mythril | games to easy, is what it comes down to, and the mutants make it much easier |
| 2022-07-05 22:37 | Vamp | actually, we mutants do die often tooo.. |
| 2022-07-05 22:37 | Mythril | correct, i dont enjoy playing 999's i get nothing out of it, and im slowly approcahing an army of 999's instead of one wolthu or caree |
| 2022-07-05 22:36 | Seyonne | This conversation has come up plenty of times in the past, but we recognized that we couldn't pull the trigger without support from the lord community. |
| 2022-07-05 22:36 | Autolykus | i built a spr bld so that it would be able to lead more than my tua bld..and that turned out to be innacurate |
| 2022-07-05 22:36 | Vamp | we all are individuas with diff playstyle, and choices |
| 2022-07-05 22:36 | Vixelle | after so many years now that we recognize that it breaks the game design? |
| 2022-07-05 22:36 | Vamp | and i agree with mithril.. |
| 2022-07-05 22:36 | Jonnan | mines 35, and im maxed on most lead skills |
| 2022-07-05 22:36 | Kali | Complain isn't necessarily the right term, but we recognize that it completely breaks the game design |
| 2022-07-05 22:36 | Jonnan | on some yes |
| 2022-07-05 22:36 | Autolykus | groumax is 36? |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Mythril | sounds like you need a job |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Shadowin | nog vamp |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Vamp | i already have 20 999s, why do i need anoter 20 when grp max is 36 |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Vixelle | did the players complain about mutants? |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Jonnan | yeah im not one of those thankfully |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Chalu | i dont have any 999s, but i think that would be too penal |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Menace | there are ppl with 10000 levels of 999 |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Jonnan | oh.. |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Vamp | and talk abt this gigantic gains in another 10 years time |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Mythril | while i think it sucks for the mutants, i dont think they are entitled to anything. some of us chose to play other alts intead of one alt for years, were not complaining |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Shadowin | they'd be rerolled to 999, then given 20 other 999s |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Jonnan | like, youd reroll it? or leave as is and just convert exp to the other alt |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Jonnan | what would that entail to the 999 stats etc |
| 2022-07-05 22:35 | Vamp | we shld leave it as it is now |
| 2022-07-05 22:34 | Jonnan | uh |